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October 01, 2008

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Bob DuCharme

Hi Ed,

You touched on an issue here that I'd like to see you expand on: you present the future directions mostly in terms of customer needs, which is a good thing, but an important vector in the direction that these circles move is vendor intentions. Do you think many of the vendors in each circle understand the opportunities (I almost wrote "see the opportunities," but realized that "understand" is a much more accurate term) in the publishing world enough to efficiently implement the overlapped parts of your diagram? How many of them, on a circle by circle basis, "get" it? (Or care--did Interwoven give up on XML content management because they saw a lot more small fish to sell to than big fish, especially considering that the big fish weren't that big?)

Bob

Ed Stevenson

Hi Bob

Thanks for the comment and question. The one thing about vendors in the three specialized circles is that they are understandably focused on very specific content types and functions, not the publishing environment as a whole. So while the product may be very good at one type of thing, the vendor’s focus is not on how the organization, especially the publishing organization, does those other things. In some cases, that may be fine, especially if the publisher has very sophisticated and specialized needs in one of those areas. But the publisher has the burden of overlapping the circles.

Just for an example, being in the publishing world, I was somewhat surprised when I went to the Henry Stewart DAMS conference and saw how much emphasis was put on supporting large marketing operations, not publishing. Sure it makes sense and I was a bit provincial to assume everything is about publishing, but the point is there are not many vendors in these CMS spaces that I know of who solely focus on the publishing industry, and I would therefore guess will have difficulty overlapping the circles.

I don’t even know if E&PS vendors, who you could argue are the most focused on the publishing market, understand enough beyond the print production processes to bring these circles together. Obviously one way to bridge these circles is partnerships and last year I posted on two announcements between E&PS and WCMS vendors. I don’t know enough about those partnerships to know if it is a real integration or simply throwing the finished print content over the wall to the WCMS.

And as for the WCMS circle, I’ve never really thought they were as much about content as they were about the delivery channel and managing the web site. They would probably be the least able to help overlap the circles. But that makes sense – why would they want to get involved with print production! I wouldn’t if I were them.

But to get a plug in here, I should say that I think we (Really Strategies) with a history of consulting in the publishing industry, understand the publishing world enough to move our product RSuite in this unified direction, either through integrations with other tools and products or adding the features into the product.

Ed

ann michael

Ed -

Two questions:
1) what about an LCMS - where does that fit in?
2) is another valuable distinction to look at this in terms of WIP (work in progress), finished goods, and delivery mechanisms?

I think if we do then the unification becomes even more apparent on some level. For example, having an easy way (central repository?) to get to everything you've ever produced is pretty valuable for ongoing operations and new product development. In fact, it could become the basis for user generated customization (meaning I, the customer, get to pick what I want from your content - you just need to price it!).

Great post, btw!

Ann

Ed Stevenson

Ann

On your second question, yes, I think that is a valuable distinction. These other CMSs are about certain types of content and/or certain types of packaging and delivery. Mike Edson makes some good points on this in his post that followed this one.

One your first question, although I know others at Really Strategies have had experiences with LMS, I am unfortunately not one of them. With limited knowledge of those systems, I think I could say they are specialized content and delivery systems and the argument made here is still valid. At the very least there needs to be some coordination and integration between an organization's content-centric CMS (to use Mike's term) and any other CMS within their environment, whether that be a E&P, WebCMS, or LMS.

Shahir Kassam-Adams

Ed -

Interesting post. Sorry to join the discussion later than the others.

If you look far enough out, there is another constellation of circles moving towards this space - the relationship management domain.

There is no denying there were/are many functional and logical overlaps between (the original "LMS" for us old timers) physical Logistics Management Systems and current iterations of E&PS and content delivery systems. Similarly, the need to integrate who is doing what, why, where, when, and how in the CMS environment is growing. The demand to mine and link RMS and CMS is going to be a larger part of the future than most people anticipate. I'm already seeing cobbled solutions for such needs. Very much like the early days of CMS when people swore that all you needed was LaTex and shell scripts. :)

Regards,

Shahir

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